#23
I understand what you're saying = the web IS fast.

But your comparing what I'd call a "flash in the pan" to over reaching tech.
Ok, but there are not a correct comparison. Microsoft has a monopoly in the OS world...VB can not obligate the hosters and forum admin to use it xD

Also, Microsoft is easier than Linux for the newbie for use. That's very important, K.I.S.S. (keep it simple and stupid). Try Xenforo for a week, and tell me if is easier of vb (for navigation, usability, etc.). Many users complain the execcise difficulty of the VB and IPB interface. But the interface of XF is similar to Facebook, very friendly, easy and funny. That is a great advantage. For a user friendly pointview, Linux is vbulletin (many unused features, many bloat and a complicate interface etc.) and Xenforo is MS (easy).

Xenforo, PHPbbs and all the others may have an impact in the short term = but in the long term, VB will win. Whatever VB needs will be adopted, stolen, whatever.
The main problem imho of vb that heir development is very slow. Was the reason? VB has over 1000 open bugs, and with this incredible amout of bugs, you can't innovate and introduce new feature or change the frontend. The user needs first a stable product.

I liked the reaction of IPB, that ispired of many feature of Xenforo for satisfy their users. VB reaction? Nothing! A new version with 2 unasked integrations...

IMHO the success of Xenforo depends mainly on VB Big Boards switch, like Digital Point, AvForums etc...the second is planning a switch in the first term, and it's probably that DP switch in this year.

Well, it does have one thing going for it that I do respect = it isn't free.

I totally believe in paying for software..... good software.
Totally agree with this. Now the main advantage of VB is the good number of premium mod/mod creators that creates great products and supports it (Vbseo, DB-Tech, forumcoding, vbcover etc.). Xenforo doesen't has this...and now this a problem. I don't like to have "free mods" that you are obligated to donate to the author just for a "bit" of support and you are not sure to have regular updates and bug fix...that is the reason because i suggest often to DBT to speed the conversion. xD
 
#24
We disagree, and that's cool :)

I went back and was reading about the history around the purchase of VB.
It seems to me that they sold the company right in the middle of dev for VB4 (the product itself being a selling point for the buyout), and then were fighting the new management (actually not that uncommon).
With that in mind, VB4 is probably not anything like what was planned - fighting takes up plenty of time and energy.
Changing staff mid/late-project, training them, and getting them "seasoned" takes time. That explains the bugs to me - and any unrealized features that were planned but delayed till then next version.

I'm mixed. One on hand, XenForo has a tough road a 'ho.
BUT I do believe people make a difference.
Certainly a couple guys is more agile than a big company with multi departments/products.
So I'll be watching.
If they're ticked off and hungry - maybe.
If Internet Brands has a mad genius tinkering in the back with something to prove, then I still say VB will win.
If Internet Brands is just some big company that only cares about a product portfolio = then it'll decrease, and get sold off to someone who is hungry (DBTECH acquires Vbulletin!!).


Do agree with ya on the mod's point. 100%

-DB
 
#25
I'm agree, a big company with an insane amount of economics resources has a great advantage, but i don't understand because the development are soooo slow. They are a great amount of employers, and IB acquire Jelsoft years ago...and now i don't see a difference. Users waiting a stable version for years...

If Internet Brands is just some big company that only cares about a product portfolio = then it'll decrease, and get sold off to someone who is hungry (DBTECH acquires Vbulletin!!).
IB already sold to a Private Equity firm:
http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2010/09/20/internet-brands-sold-private-equity-firm-640-million

Do agree with ya on the mod's point. 100%
I see that the other vb professional coders (forumcoding, vbcover) already planned to port their mods to Xenforo. I'm sure that when xenforo resolve the claim with IB, many professional coders and stylers port their works to Xenforo. It's like the little David and Golia, lol.
 
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#26
Money doesn't mean progress. Unfortunately I have to deal with that reality every day in my own job. We have 90,000 employees and are pretty much one of the top tech companies in the world and yet... to get anything accomplished around here requires an act of God. It's BECAUSE we are such a large company and have so much money that it slows things down.

I have no doubt that XF will succeed, how well it succeeds is yet to be determined though.
 

Ozzy47

Customer
Former Developer
#30
I am disappointed that my vBulletin DBT products are now useless. I moved to xenForo.
What Trekkan said essentially.

We do have a number of mods being ported to XF at the moment, but it is being done between updates and new vBulletin mods.

Our first responsibility is to our current customers - we've had very few indicate they have switched to XenForo, and we said that when we go into XF it won't cause any delays on our vb software - thats a promise we intend to keep.

XF is still part of our long term plans, but unless a bunch of customers tell us they have switched it will be done as and when time is available, and not be our main priority.

Hope that clears the situation up!

Iain
Switching is your choice, and as stated by Decado they are working on porting their mods to XF
 
#31
I am just about to embark on a brand new install of the license I bought at announcement of the law suite.
I am not moving my Crackers they have martyred enough since April 1 2010 when I Did the upgrade over night as an April fools , we have finally road this horse till its came to a steady trot if not for a lot of horse manure and constant nudging for more oats I would finally be happy with the CMS.
I saw x4 as a primary threat to the vb-king of forum software at a time when they have just defecated on their faithful.
I saw the suite a bullying tactic, fear induced panic and out-lash to a threat of serious competition; a power play went wrong.
I Immediately cheered for those guys and put my money were my mouth was and took advantage of the very first offer as an investment in a sure winner,
I am quite sure it was a worthwhile investment
even if for naught, the spirit of these guys sticking to the principles that made Vb a valuable investment.
Powerful dependable and flexible software that Had a valuable creative community that makes it bigger than the sum of its members.
IB dividing this community and ignoring its valuable contribution; an infinite variety of mods; that can be combined and supported by a combination of volunteering and capitalism.
This entire sub economy and faithful community has been betrayed by cooperate greed.
I have to support anything that tempers that kind of behavior.
By offering a competitive product with traditional ethics and the high standards intact x4 gives the competitive force needed to keep the suits at bay.
I wish I had more to invest at the time , I look forward to getting in to the software without the stress of a building a new comunity right away.
 
#32
The only thing stopping me from going to x4 is the lack of mod support offered by Dbtech. If Dbtech ever went to x4 then I would probably jump ship.
 

Ozzy47

Customer
Former Developer
#33
Quoted from Decado:

Porting modifications from vB to XF proved to be considerably more time consuming than we had originally planned for. We are hoping to be able to spend a good amount of time working on conversions in later summer, but there are no guarantees to be honest.

Iain
 
#34
Quoted from Decado:

Porting modifications from vB to XF proved to be considerably more time consuming than we had originally planned for. We are hoping to be able to spend a good amount of time working on conversions in later summer, but there are no guarantees to be honest.

Iain
Yea I know. They need to work something with x4 :D
 

Decado

Owner
Customer
#36
After a year. We still have not any commercial mod for Xenforo. Keep waiting...
I've commented on this various times in various places: We've not found any suitable XF coders yet, despite looking. We've had changed to staff over the year which has meant we've not had anyone to "spare" to move over to XF, and it would be unfair to our current customers to put them out just to chase new customers over at XF.

Once we can do it without that happening, we will.

Iain
 
#38
I have kept my VB but would love to expand the like on my two XF forums with the DB thanks like multi buttons. development at XF seems to have slowed but I still like it for a forum.
 
#39
Once we can do it without that happening (i.e. we've not had anyone to "spare" to move over to XF), we will.

Iain
Eternal Optimist here: So I read that above and figure that we're closer than we've ever been (before) to having some products ported over to the XF world! ;)
 
#40
Okay so I apologise strongly for the gravedig but I've not been able to find somewhere this question fits better:

How does DBTech plan to proceed regarding Credits/Shop and other XF mods with regards to Xenforo 2? Xenforo is making V2 available to anyone with an active XF licence without any upgrade fees.

Will DBtech require us to purchase a brand new version for XF2 or will the same license we have remain valid?
 
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